tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161136885462262525.post5755721273618580701..comments2024-03-09T00:19:36.011-08:00Comments on Reading the Short Story: Social Realism vs. Mythic ExperienceCharles E. Mayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11642048806407593585noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161136885462262525.post-9538208629180771512022-06-22T09:44:27.513-07:002022-06-22T09:44:27.513-07:00Thanks for sharing this article.Thanks for sharing this article.andrew carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00977874913462012232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161136885462262525.post-50371735156020244922009-01-15T04:59:00.000-08:002009-01-15T04:59:00.000-08:00'I don't think it is accidental that the short sto...'I don't think it is accidental that the short story, since its beginning, has more often focused on fantasy than reality--not fantasy as escape, but rather fantasy as meaningfully mythic. I don't think the short story thrives as socially relevant or even strictly realistic, but rather as a means to explore universal human experiences.'<BR/><BR/>Definitely an interesting point. Have you read any of the work of Kelly Link?Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13770069472552779217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161136885462262525.post-64737092121345089902009-01-06T13:12:00.000-08:002009-01-06T13:12:00.000-08:00I am very happy to have Rolf join this discussion....I am very happy to have Rolf join this discussion. I have read some of his fiction and admire it. I included one of his stories, "The Quail" in a fiction text I edited several years ago, Fiction's Many Worlds.<BR/><BR/>Rolf raises more questions that I can respond to at this time. I will reread "Short Happy Life" and Trevor's "The Visitor."<BR/><BR/>However, I do want to comment briefly on the issue of what interests us when we read fiction--the art and craft or the ideas and context.<BR/><BR/>I learned to read literature during the time of the so-called New Criticism or Formalism. Perhaps Rolf did also. I know that more recent criticism has tried to discredit this approach--which focuses on the art of the work--how technique and theme are inextricably intertwined.<BR/><BR/>My colleagues must forgive me, but I cynically believe that more recent focus on culture, social issues, biography, history, and other contexts are simply the result of trying "something new" and something "politically correct."<BR/><BR/>I am still an old-fashioned believer in reading as a passionate engagement with human complexity that cannot be adequately explored by other kinds of discourse, such as history, sociology, psychology, etc.<BR/><BR/>I believe that readers should practice, to use Francine Prose's phrase in her fine book of the same name, "Reading like a Writer."<BR/>I will talk more of Prose's book in a later blog entry.Charles E. Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11642048806407593585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161136885462262525.post-51552632992410637282009-01-03T13:25:00.000-08:002009-01-03T13:25:00.000-08:00Charles, Sorry about the lag joining up since you ...Charles, Sorry about the lag joining up since you emailed. <BR/>But,,, that said, exceptional piece and outstanding blog… it couldn’t be more beneficial for someone like me writing in the wilderness. I’ve been thinking seriously about an MFA program, but in reading this, I’m thinking maybe I won’t need to do that. So I’ll post and answer and spill this to folks I know on a couple of writing/workshop blogs. <BR/><BR/>Expect a response every week from me from here on. <BR/><BR/>I’ve got a couple of comments I’ll add to what you have already written, but I wanted to respond to this note on Erdrich. <BR/><BR/>I just happen to be picking apart “The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber”— and some of Trevor's stuff; I'm thinking about omniscience. (It's all about the craft for me, as you know.) <BR/>But as I’ve backed into SHLFM again, I've bumped into the body of criticism floating around Hemingway focusing on issues like imperialism in SHLFM or his misogyny in general. (Does he support it or not; does he hate women or not?). Much of it reminds me of the lashing Louise Erdrich weathered. <BR/><BR/>It seems specious and mere sport to take such shots at an author. Certainly Erdrich doesn’t deserve it for simply failing to condemn and Hemingway doesn’t deserve it even for his obvious and well-documented personal failings. At least in the realm of literary criticism I most value.<BR/> <BR/>I guess what I’m saying is, as a writer, it feels like there are really two activities engaged by reviewers and critics. The first is a sort of off-shoot of the great body of celebrity examination. It comes from the same source as the fascination with a politician’s errant bon mot on the campaign trail. (Think of the ‘nappy-hair’ comment; it is a sort of gotcha.) It belongs in the same area as discussion of Angela Jolie’s most recent child acquisition or Cheever’s tragic appetites. That’s popular culture, but I don’t think it’s far from things people want me to take seriously such as: Fiedler’s famous article, ''Come Back to the Raft Ag'in, Huck Honey.” All of them smack of the impulse to expose celebrity for what he or she really is… and that is corrupt. <BR/><BR/>It’s sport, part of our culture and why shouldn’t it be legitimate? We just have to think of it as entertainment at best and character assassination at worst. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, there is another activity-- far more complex, interesting and for me, engaging. That is, the knowledgeable examination of art. As a craftsman, I examined the body of criticism I could find discussing Francis Macomber to find out what people thought of the restricted omniscience of the narrator. The questions engaging me are things are: What does his treatment of the lion’s consciousness do to create the mystery of that story? Does it work to make the piece powerful? Why does the narrator use so many adverbs to describe Margot and so few for the others? How come we spend so much time in Wilson’s brain and not in Margot’s? Does that make the story work better? Or not? <BR/><BR/>I’ll have more on this later, but for the heck of it, I’m pulling apart Trevor’s story “An Afternoon” in the same way. Both of them masterfully use restriction in omniscience. The mastery comes in being able to restrict vital information from characters or the reader or both, then by so doing, reveal the story. The mystery of Francis Macomber comes from our limited interior view of Margot. (We see more of the lion’s interior emotions.) Trevor leaves us a young girl whose knowledge of the danger she has escaped is both less than the reader’s and in a very odd way, more because she knows herself better than we do. There is a mystery to her interior life that enthralls me. <BR/><BR/>There’s not a lot written about that sort of thing as opposed to the never-ending (and boring) argument over whether or not Hemingway wanted to punish all his bitch socialite acquaintances with Margot. As for Trevor, I imagine, eventually, someone will get around to writing about him as a champion for pedophilia on the basis of “An Afternoon”. <BR/><BR/>All of it keeps up the churn over the stories, but all of that sort of critique is just a distraction. The characters, the craft, the turn of phrase, resonance, and what does it mean—why do these characters do what they do? All of it means more to me than any writer’s intention or personality. <BR/><BR/><BR/>This is going to be a great blog... Thanks for taking this time, professor... you'll se more of us soon. Later, RolfRolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10407101807209230018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161136885462262525.post-7337201588618369752009-01-01T11:36:00.000-08:002009-01-01T11:36:00.000-08:00I know at least two people are reading. Christa, ...I know at least two people are reading. Christa, who gave me the link, and me. I think this is terrific. The next time I teach short story writing I'll make it part of the reading list. Happy New Year.<BR/><BR/>Tyler DiltsTyler Diltshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02278961097573541740noreply@blogger.com